Talk:Staffordshire

The area page "Staffordshire" overlaps with existing areas in the Peak District region such as Manifold Valley - although Waterways Swallet appears to be the only cave with a page that's been created as yet. Someone with knowledge of the area needs to tidy this up - it's a bit off my patch!

--Rhys 16:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I put Staffordshire as a separate area as only a very small part of Staffordshire can be counted as the Peak District.

If you mention 'Peak District' to most people, they will immediately and usually think of Derbyshire.

I maintain that Staffordshire should stay as a separate county for caving purposes.

I'm neutral, as I know nowt about the area. But is is always useful to sign a contribution on a talk page (two dashes followed by four tildes). --Susie 20:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the area but would this problem be similar to that of 'Yorkshire' and 'Dales' - eg. all of Leck Fell falls outside the park boundary and is within the county of Lancashire. The larger portion of Easegill is also outside the park and is within Cumbria - as are a number of other cave areas like Barbondale, Dentdale, Brough/Kirkby Stephen.. Those I've mentioned are generally classed as being in Yorkshire (Dales) through common popular usage - despite technically speaking not being in either the county or the national park! Just my 2p's worth.. --Dunc 21:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

That would be my view, Dunc. The Staffordshire caving area hasn't really impinged upon my consciousness in the last 40+ years caving. --Susie 22:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

For me, the county that a cave happens to be in is irrelevant. County boundaries are manmade arbitrary lines drawn on the map. What's far more important are geographical, geological and hydrological boundaries. As far as I can tell, all the "Staffordshire" caves fall under the Peak District on that count.

Anyway, we went through this when first setting up the existing hierarchy. At the head of the Peak District page it says "The Peak District is a large National Park in Northern England mainly occupying Northern Derbyshire, with outlying areas in Staffordshire, Cheshire, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire." That page was originally called "Derbyshire" but we renamed it for precisely the reason that it excluded those areas that happened to be in other counties. --Rhys 09:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)